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		<title>By: Chimaera &#171; Rheta&#8217;s World</title>
		<link>http://tentacolor.com/2008/04/23/does-not-authorize/comment-page-1/#comment-1002</link>
		<dc:creator>Chimaera &#171; Rheta&#8217;s World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] brand names are as unacceptable as any textual modification of said names. They forbid not only the much quoted «&nbsp;my Second Life&nbsp;» (you&#8217;re meant to write something along the lines of «&nbsp;my life in the SecondLife [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Erbo Evans</title>
		<link>http://tentacolor.com/2008/04/23/does-not-authorize/comment-page-1/#comment-989</link>
		<dc:creator>Erbo Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I did a &quot;trademark scrub&quot; on &lt;i&gt;Evans Avenue Exit&lt;/i&gt; and LexxCore.com over the weekend, but there&#039;s one thing I &lt;i&gt;can&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; change...the phrasing of the tagline for &lt;i&gt;Evans Avenue Exit&lt;/i&gt;.  If I do that, it&#039;ll break the allusion I&#039;m making in the first part of the tagline (to a well-known Volkswagen ad campaign), so I just stuck a &quot;(R)&quot; in there and let it go at that.  If LL really wants my scalp for &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt;, then I&#039;ll just take my marbles and go play EVE Online.  At least CCP doesn&#039;t seem to have a chip on its shoulder about &lt;i&gt;its&lt;/i&gt; trademarks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I did a &#8220;trademark scrub&#8221; on <i>Evans Avenue Exit</i> and LexxCore.com over the weekend, but there&#8217;s one thing I <i>can&#8217;t</i> change&#8230;the phrasing of the tagline for <i>Evans Avenue Exit</i>.  If I do that, it&#8217;ll break the allusion I&#8217;m making in the first part of the tagline (to a well-known Volkswagen ad campaign), so I just stuck a &#8220;(R)&#8221; in there and let it go at that.  If LL really wants my scalp for <i>that</i>, then I&#8217;ll just take my marbles and go play EVE Online.  At least CCP doesn&#8217;t seem to have a chip on its shoulder about <i>its</i> trademarks.</p>
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		<title>By: Dale Innis</title>
		<link>http://tentacolor.com/2008/04/23/does-not-authorize/comment-page-1/#comment-988</link>
		<dc:creator>Dale Innis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So yeah, that&#039;s fine, they don&#039;t authorize me to display or use their various marks in ordinary noncommercial speech since after all I don&#039;t *need* their authorization in order to do that, at least not as far as the relevant trademarks laws are concerned.  It doesn&#039;t say &quot;you may not use&quot;, so even the fact that the TOS points at the branding guildelines doesn&#039;t seem to *quite* make ever saying &quot;Second Life&quot; at all a TOS violation.  For what it&#039;s worth.  *8)

I don&#039;t authorize you to speak my name in shadow, but that&#039;s okay, since you don&#039;t need my authorization to do so.

The annoying part, to me, is that the TOS (which governs the activity of residents) directly references the Branding Guidelines, which (overreaching legalese aside) really only applies to commercial entities, or people attempting to make money in one way or another from LL&#039;s marks.  I don&#039;t know why they felt that they had to do that, I think it was probably a mistake, and I&#039;d love for them to undo it.

To disagree slightly with Rheta: they have never said that they -will- ban residents who don&#039;t follow the branding guidelines offworld, and who don&#039;t respond to warnings.  They&#039;ve said that they reserve the right to, but I&#039;m pretty sure that they have never said that they -will-.  It&#039;s a rather large difference, at least to my mind!

On &quot;my second life&quot; (or even &quot;my Second Life&quot;), I have it easy in that I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever used the term.  :)  Partly because it reminds me of the shuddersome Windowsy &quot;My Computer&quot; and &quot;My Documents&quot;, and partly because my second life probably began sometime when I was like eight months old or whatever, when my life as a giant orange pterodactyl or equivalent began.  My life in Second Life must be my several-dozenth life by now, even counting very conservatively.  I expect the same is true of most people.

And we can&#039;t really fault them too much for being in the positiion of trying to claim what is clearly a relatively common noun-phrase.  The people who picked &quot;Second Life&quot; and the people who are now in the position of claiming that it isn&#039;t really a generic noun phrase at all are no doubt entirely different people.  I&#039;m sure the first lawyer that took a look at the company name from a trademark point of view quickly remembered a very important appointment elsewhere, and fled from the room!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So yeah, that&#8217;s fine, they don&#8217;t authorize me to display or use their various marks in ordinary noncommercial speech since after all I don&#8217;t *need* their authorization in order to do that, at least not as far as the relevant trademarks laws are concerned.  It doesn&#8217;t say &#8220;you may not use&#8221;, so even the fact that the TOS points at the branding guildelines doesn&#8217;t seem to *quite* make ever saying &#8220;Second Life&#8221; at all a TOS violation.  For what it&#8217;s worth.  *8)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t authorize you to speak my name in shadow, but that&#8217;s okay, since you don&#8217;t need my authorization to do so.</p>
<p>The annoying part, to me, is that the TOS (which governs the activity of residents) directly references the Branding Guidelines, which (overreaching legalese aside) really only applies to commercial entities, or people attempting to make money in one way or another from LL&#8217;s marks.  I don&#8217;t know why they felt that they had to do that, I think it was probably a mistake, and I&#8217;d love for them to undo it.</p>
<p>To disagree slightly with Rheta: they have never said that they -will- ban residents who don&#8217;t follow the branding guidelines offworld, and who don&#8217;t respond to warnings.  They&#8217;ve said that they reserve the right to, but I&#8217;m pretty sure that they have never said that they -will-.  It&#8217;s a rather large difference, at least to my mind!</p>
<p>On &#8220;my second life&#8221; (or even &#8220;my Second Life&#8221;), I have it easy in that I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever used the term.  :)  Partly because it reminds me of the shuddersome Windowsy &#8220;My Computer&#8221; and &#8220;My Documents&#8221;, and partly because my second life probably began sometime when I was like eight months old or whatever, when my life as a giant orange pterodactyl or equivalent began.  My life in Second Life must be my several-dozenth life by now, even counting very conservatively.  I expect the same is true of most people.</p>
<p>And we can&#8217;t really fault them too much for being in the positiion of trying to claim what is clearly a relatively common noun-phrase.  The people who picked &#8220;Second Life&#8221; and the people who are now in the position of claiming that it isn&#8217;t really a generic noun phrase at all are no doubt entirely different people.  I&#8217;m sure the first lawyer that took a look at the company name from a trademark point of view quickly remembered a very important appointment elsewhere, and fled from the room!  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Frans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 19:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hereby grant you the right to freely use the word Esselle.</description>
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		<title>By: Veronique Lalonde</title>
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		<dc:creator>Veronique Lalonde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 19:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not a lawyer and don&#039;t play one on TV, although I did write the LSAT once and got a good score.  Still, the legalese does look to me like &quot;no use whatsoever.&quot;  Seems like the legalese could be clearer, even if it&#039;s still legalese.  If they want us ordinary people to understand this, we shouldn&#039;t need a lawyer to tell us what it means.  After all, the vast majority of users of these terms are bloggers who aren&#039;t making money from their use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a lawyer and don&#8217;t play one on TV, although I did write the LSAT once and got a good score.  Still, the legalese does look to me like &#8220;no use whatsoever.&#8221;  Seems like the legalese could be clearer, even if it&#8217;s still legalese.  If they want us ordinary people to understand this, we shouldn&#8217;t need a lawyer to tell us what it means.  After all, the vast majority of users of these terms are bloggers who aren&#8217;t making money from their use.</p>
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		<title>By: Sougent Harrop</title>
		<link>http://tentacolor.com/2008/04/23/does-not-authorize/comment-page-1/#comment-985</link>
		<dc:creator>Sougent Harrop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 19:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s possible that the phrase means what you think, but only a lawyer could say for sure.   I certainly take it for it&#039;s apparent meaning which is we can not use their trademarks unless it is as outlined in the guidelines or unless you have a written agreement with LL.

Seems pretty clear to me.

As for the phrase &quot;my second life&quot; and variations on that phrase, I think that regardless of what they wrote, it&#039;s fair use and I really don&#039;t think they can or will go after people using it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s possible that the phrase means what you think, but only a lawyer could say for sure.   I certainly take it for it&#8217;s apparent meaning which is we can not use their trademarks unless it is as outlined in the guidelines or unless you have a written agreement with LL.</p>
<p>Seems pretty clear to me.</p>
<p>As for the phrase &#8220;my second life&#8221; and variations on that phrase, I think that regardless of what they wrote, it&#8217;s fair use and I really don&#8217;t think they can or will go after people using it.</p>
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		<title>By: Akela</title>
		<link>http://tentacolor.com/2008/04/23/does-not-authorize/comment-page-1/#comment-984</link>
		<dc:creator>Akela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 19:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t care why they&#039;re doing it, I&#039;m just flabbergasted by how little they trust their constituents. It always baffles me when I see companies try to stifle the creative urges of their customers, who end up creating better and more effective advertising for their product than anything the parent company could come up with on their own. LL should be glad that people care enough of their &#039;second lives&#039; to want to write about them and defend them to others. 

Instead, LL does things like this. Whatever; I&#039;m just gonna use the picture I Photoshopped up of my OWN eye in my OWN hand to represent SL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t care why they&#8217;re doing it, I&#8217;m just flabbergasted by how little they trust their constituents. It always baffles me when I see companies try to stifle the creative urges of their customers, who end up creating better and more effective advertising for their product than anything the parent company could come up with on their own. LL should be glad that people care enough of their &#8216;second lives&#8217; to want to write about them and defend them to others. </p>
<p>Instead, LL does things like this. Whatever; I&#8217;m just gonna use the picture I Photoshopped up of my OWN eye in my OWN hand to represent SL.</p>
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		<title>By: Rheta Shan</title>
		<link>http://tentacolor.com/2008/04/23/does-not-authorize/comment-page-1/#comment-983</link>
		<dc:creator>Rheta Shan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Jacek, I am really impressed to what depths you are willing to wade through legalese to get to the bottom of this issue. I hope you&#8217;ve got good waders on, lest the muck gets really icky :).</p>
<p>I agree entirely with you LL never meant to curtail usage of their trademarked terms in a general fashion. They have been repeating this over and over since they have presented the revised  brand guidelines. But the issue at hand never was the Lindens forbidding us to use « Second Life » or « SL » <i>et al</i>, except for commercial purposes without license, and when it might dilute the brand (hence the crackdown on sites using the terms in their name or URL to promote themselves and their services) , nor was were we meant to pepper every mention of them with trademark signs. </p>
<p>Yes, some of us did attack LL on those grounds because it made them an easy target. I plead <a href="http://rhetasworld.wordpress.com/2008/03/25/dear-catherine-linden/" rel="nofollow">guilty on that count</a> and looking back, I wish I hadn&#8217;t done it. It diluted the issue, with people thinking this was about using the trademarked terms <b>at all</b>, when it was in fact about <b>how</b> we are meant to use them. </p>
<p>Because LL have published far reaching guidelines for « <a href="http://secondlife.com/corporate/brand/trademark/reference.php" rel="nofollow">Proper Reference to Linden Lab&#8217;s Brand Names in Text</a> », which are part of the brand guidelines, and as such are subject to observance by any resident of SL under ToS clause 4.4. They say (quote edited slightly to shorten it) :</p>
<blockquote><p>Always follow a Linden Lab brand name with an appropriate generic noun for at least your first reference to the brand name. A &#8220;generic noun&#8221; is a common noun and not a proper noun, trademark, or brand name. […] After the first reference, use an appropriate generic noun after the Linden Lab brand name as often as possible. Never use the brand name as a generic noun or verb, and never use it in the plural or possessive form. […] When providing your Second Life contact information, use an appropriate generic noun after the Second Life or SL brand names […] Always capitalize and spell Linden Lab&#8217;s brand names exactly as they are shown here, and do not abbreviate them or alter their spelling, spacing, hyphenation, or punctuation.</p></blockquote>
<p>The FAQ  and clarifications contribute examples to this, the best know being « do not write &#8220;my Second Life&#8221; », but this is just one application, not an isolated recall of one single phrase. <b>All of the above</b> rules apply all the time, <b>to any writing</b> according to LL, and as <a href="http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/04/18/more-on-trademarks/" rel="nofollow">clearly stated in LL&#8217;s last clarification</a>, they will indeed ban residents, albeit after a warning, who do not observe these rules in their off-world activities.</p>
<p>Now I for one strongly object to bending backwards and construing strange and insipid phrases <i>à la</i> « my life in the Second Life world », or maintaining a blacklist of non acceptable phrases on what, when all is said and done, is a personal web based editorial column. It as matter of free speech and freedom of the press in the most general sense to me (I&#8217;m not an US citizen, hence  the limitations of the First Amendment have no relevance to my case whatsoever; and no, I did not surrender all my rights as a citizen of a EU country when I signed a service contract with a Californian company either). <b>I am so not going to let some company lawyer in a software service start-up dictate to me how I publish about what I think is might be the next revolution in human society, just because he says he can and will get at me without having recourse to the law.</b> </p>
<p>That&#8217;s about it as far as I&#8217;m concerned, though I still think this should be an issue to anyone who happens to blog or otherwise publish on the matter. Or, as the French say : <i>point final</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: IYan Writer</title>
		<link>http://tentacolor.com/2008/04/23/does-not-authorize/comment-page-1/#comment-982</link>
		<dc:creator>IYan Writer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s funny - they themselves are to blame for possible trademark damage for choosing a loaded name that lends itself to descriptive use. If they had picked something else, less descriptive, there wouldn&#039;t be a problem (&quot;my Twinity&quot;?? no way).

Local story: our first and largest mobile operator is called &quot;Mobitel&quot;. The name has become a synonym for mobile phones here - you talk on your &quot;mobitel&quot;. Far from banning it, they embrace it and had cited it as evidence of their success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s funny &#8211; they themselves are to blame for possible trademark damage for choosing a loaded name that lends itself to descriptive use. If they had picked something else, less descriptive, there wouldn&#8217;t be a problem (&#8220;my Twinity&#8221;?? no way).</p>
<p>Local story: our first and largest mobile operator is called &#8220;Mobitel&#8221;. The name has become a synonym for mobile phones here &#8211; you talk on your &#8220;mobitel&#8221;. Far from banning it, they embrace it and had cited it as evidence of their success.</p>
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